windows vista final release support efi 32 bit plat

hi: Current CTP release versions don't support EFI bios for 32 bit platform. But i want to know whether Vista's final release (due release in Decemeber 2006 ) will support EFI bios for 32 bit platform.
Thanks!

If XP supports EFI bios, I'd think Vista will to. However, only if EFI follows up on its end. Not all older motherboards will be supported, I'm sure. Probably the same as with video, sound, etc.
-- Nancy Ward MSN Messenger MVP
"Tigerliu" wrote in message

hi: Current CTP release versions don't support EFI bios for 32 bit platform. But i want to know whether Vista's final release (due release in Decemeber 2006 ) will support EFI bios for 32 bit platform.
Thanks!

Windows XP x86 does not support EFI, but XP Professional x64 does. Windows Vista will EFI, we just don't know which build it will be implemented in at this time, but it should be in there by RTM. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Tigerliu" wrote in message

hi: Current CTP release versions don't support EFI bios for 32 bit platform. But i want to know whether Vista's final release (due release in Decemeber 2006 ) will support EFI bios for 32 bit platform.
Thanks!

So, Andre, is EFI something that's new, been around awhile, or maybe just not available in the US?
-- Nancy Ward MSN Messenger MVP
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Windows XP x86 does not support EFI, but XP Professional x64 does. Windows Vista will EFI, we just don't know which build it will be implemented in at this time, but it should be in there by RTM. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Tigerliu" wrote in message hi: Current CTP release versions don't support EFI bios for 32 bit platform. But i want to know whether Vista's final release (due release in Decemeber 2006 ) will support EFI bios for 32 bit platform.
Thanks!

Nancy, Now this is one I can answer;)
EFI is the acronym for Extensible Firmware Interface. Intel created it during development for the Itanium processor. Primarily because there was No 16 bit or for that Matter any 32 bit support. Bios Starts out at 16 bit and then releases to the OS to allow for 32 bit. or In other words for boot up bios is running in real mode. that effectively hasn't been used since ohh. win 3.1 days.
BIOS is one of the reasons there is an issue with SCSI, boot process, and a few other items. exist. it is also the reason that the startup sequence for x64 starts out in 16 bit, moves to 32 bit and finally locks down on 64 bit in the os initialization (with a 64 bit os of course.
So the short answer is No EFI has been available world wide since the introduction of the Itanium system. At winhec last year the formation of the UEFI (unified is the first word if I remember right) was announced. www.uefi.org and will be the basis of the EFI spec used for vista.
In effect it is a replacement for Bios. in the hardware initialization phase. (post is still done by bios techologies.) and Evolutionary as it takes the platform to a level where Hardware can be intialized outside of an OS and transition that hardware to the OS platform with more robust drivers.
Imagine a computer that can get drivers and connect to the network in secure way before any OS is loaded. and you can see where this will go. Espcially in the managed computer format. but there is significant advantages for consumer systems also. New hardware concepts do not have to wait for the OS to implement support to at least get the foot in the door. is one example. Not to mention that efi has a preboot enviroment for maintenance of the system outside of an os Install.
oh well starting to ramble. one of the best places to get info is at intels web site http://www.intel.com/technology/efi/ although most iis based on the base level technology presented to the UEFI standards body.
Douglas "NLWard" wrote in message

So, Andre, is EFI something that's new, been around awhile, or maybe just not available in the US?
-- Nancy Ward MSN Messenger MVP
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Windows XP x86 does not support EFI, but XP Professional x64 does. Windows Vista will EFI, we just don't know which build it will be implemented in at this time, but it should be in there by RTM. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Tigerliu" wrote in message hi: Current CTP release versions don't support EFI bios for 32 bit platform. But i want to know whether Vista's final release (due release in Decemeber 2006 ) will support EFI bios for 32 bit platform.
Thanks!

Curious to see if Vista will boot one of the MacBook Pros. Right now, efforts to prepare some sort of 'shim' for XP have been coming up short. However, with Vista supporting EFI, it will likely happen in time.
--Mark
"Tigerliu" wrote in message

hi: Current CTP release versions don't support EFI bios for 32 bit platform. But i want to know whether Vista's final release (due release in Decemeber 2006 ) will support EFI bios for 32 bit platform.
Thanks!

No, they will not boot on the MacBook Pro's because Apple removed something from EFI that allowed other operating systems that support EFI. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"mmmmark" wrote in message

Curious to see if Vista will boot one of the MacBook Pros. Right now, efforts to prepare some sort of 'shim' for XP have been coming up short. However, with Vista supporting EFI, it will likely happen in time.
--Mark
"Tigerliu" wrote in message hi: Current CTP release versions don't support EFI bios for 32 bit platform. But i want to know whether Vista's final release (due release in Decemeber 2006 ) will support EFI bios for 32 bit platform.
Thanks!

Thanks, Douglas. Learned something new, I did. :-}
-- Nancy Ward MSN Messenger MVP
"douglas" wrote in message

Nancy, Now this is one I can answer;)
EFI is the acronym for Extensible Firmware Interface. Intel created it during development for the Itanium processor. Primarily because there was No 16 bit or for that Matter any 32 bit support. Bios Starts out at 16 bit and then releases to the OS to allow for 32 bit. or In other words for boot up bios is running in real mode. that effectively hasn't been used since ohh. win 3.1 days.
BIOS is one of the reasons there is an issue with SCSI, boot process, and a few other items. exist. it is also the reason that the startup sequence for x64 starts out in 16 bit, moves to 32 bit and finally locks down on 64 bit in the os initialization (with a 64 bit os of course.
So the short answer is No EFI has been available world wide since the introduction of the Itanium system. At winhec last year the formation of the UEFI (unified is the first word if I remember right) was announced. www.uefi.org and will be the basis of the EFI spec used for vista.
In effect it is a replacement for Bios. in the hardware initialization phase. (post is still done by bios techologies.) and Evolutionary as it takes the platform to a level where Hardware can be intialized outside of an OS and transition that hardware to the OS platform with more robust drivers.
Imagine a computer that can get drivers and connect to the network in secure way before any OS is loaded. and you can see where this will go. Espcially in the managed computer format. but there is significant advantages for consumer systems also. New hardware concepts do not have to wait for the OS to implement support to at least get the foot in the door. is one example. Not to mention that efi has a preboot enviroment for maintenance of the system outside of an os Install.
oh well starting to ramble. one of the best places to get info is at intels web site http://www.intel.com/technology/efi/ although most iis based on the base level technology presented to the UEFI standards body.
Douglas "NLWard" wrote in message So, Andre, is EFI something that's new, been around awhile, or maybe just not available in the US?
-- Nancy Ward MSN Messenger MVP
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Windows XP x86 does not support EFI, but XP Professional x64 does. Windows Vista will EFI, we just don't know which build it will be implemented in at this time, but it should be in there by RTM. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
"Tigerliu" wrote in message hi: Current CTP release versions don't support EFI bios for 32 bit platform. But i want to know whether Vista's final release (due release in Decemeber 2006 ) will support EFI bios for 32 bit platform.
Thanks!

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:

No, they will not boot on the MacBook Pro's because Apple removed something from EFI that allowed other operating systems that support EFI. --

'Guess I won't be getting a Mac then.

Hi,
It seems someone managed to do it though:

http://forum.osx86project.org/index.php?showtopic=14448

"Key Pounder" a écrit dans le message de news: OiGi9LLXGHA.4432@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: No, they will not boot on the MacBook Pro's because Apple removed something from EFI that allowed other operating systems that support EFI. --
'Guess I won't be getting a Mac then.

"Key Pounder" wrote in message

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: No, they will not boot on the MacBook Pro's because Apple removed something from EFI that allowed other operating systems that support EFI. --
'Guess I won't be getting a Mac then.

Actually, Apple has officially endorsed a solution to boot XP on their Intel Macs. It is called Bootcamp and was developed at Apple. Since the Intel Macs do not have BIOS--only EFI, Apple released a firmware update that allowed XP to boot on the Intel Macs's EFI system. This is a full-speed natively running solution with custom Apple-supplied drivers for peripherals.
Vista compatibility is expected either through the same method or natively via EFI if it is supported.
Incidentally, some new virtualization software called Parallels workstation is also allowing near-native speeds on the Intel Macs. It supports any OS and doesn't require a reboot. http://www.parallels.com/ The beta is a free download, the full deal is only 40 clams to early comers or 50 after full release.
Virtualization sounds best to me. I'd prefer to not have to reboot unless necessary. Here is a review from a guy that installed XP BOTH WAYS on a Intel Mac (via Bootcamp AND Parallels). http://www.macwindows.com/bcreview.html
Exciting times for Mac users. Now they can have it ALL.
-Mark

Yep, it's fully allowed now :o) I'm totally getting a Mac - look cool with having one, but secretly having two fingers up at the world by running Vista on it ;o)
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--: Original message follows :-- "mmmmark" wrote in message

"Key Pounder" wrote in message Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: No, they will not boot on the MacBook Pro's because Apple removed something from EFI that allowed other operating systems that support EFI. --
'Guess I won't be getting a Mac then.

Actually, Apple has officially endorsed a solution to boot XP on their Intel Macs. It is called Bootcamp and was developed at Apple. Since the Intel Macs do not have BIOS--only EFI, Apple released a firmware update that allowed XP to boot on the Intel Macs's EFI system. This is a full-speed natively running solution with custom Apple-supplied drivers for peripherals.
Vista compatibility is expected either through the same method or natively via EFI if it is supported.
Incidentally, some new virtualization software called Parallels workstation is also allowing near-native speeds on the Intel Macs. It supports any OS and doesn't require a reboot. http://www.parallels.com/ The beta is a free download, the full deal is only 40 clams to early comers or 50 after full release.
Virtualization sounds best to me. I'd prefer to not have to reboot unless necessary. Here is a review from a guy that installed XP BOTH WAYS on a Intel Mac (via Bootcamp AND Parallels). http://www.macwindows.com/bcreview.html
Exciting times for Mac users. Now they can have it ALL.
-Mark

Forgot a link to bootcamp: http://www.apple.com/bootcamp

But OS X is the ultimate sacrifice. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Stroppy" wrote in message

Hi,
It seems someone managed to do it though:

http://forum.osx86project.org/index.php?showtopic=14448

"Key Pounder" a écrit dans le message de news: OiGi9LLXGHA.4432@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: No, they will not boot on the MacBook Pro's because Apple removed something from EFI that allowed other operating systems that support EFI. --
'Guess I won't be getting a Mac then.

Well, it required changes to EFI, which was included in the 10.4.6 update. Its so huge. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"mmmmark" wrote in message

"Key Pounder" wrote in message Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote: No, they will not boot on the MacBook Pro's because Apple removed something from EFI that allowed other operating systems that support EFI. --
'Guess I won't be getting a Mac then.

Actually, Apple has officially endorsed a solution to boot XP on their Intel Macs. It is called Bootcamp and was developed at Apple. Since the Intel Macs do not have BIOS--only EFI, Apple released a firmware update that allowed XP to boot on the Intel Macs's EFI system. This is a full-speed natively running solution with custom Apple-supplied drivers for peripherals.
Vista compatibility is expected either through the same method or natively via EFI if it is supported.
Incidentally, some new virtualization software called Parallels workstation is also allowing near-native speeds on the Intel Macs. It supports any OS and doesn't require a reboot. http://www.parallels.com/ The beta is a free download, the full deal is only 40 clams to early comers or 50 after full release.
Virtualization sounds best to me. I'd prefer to not have to reboot unless necessary. Here is a review from a guy that installed XP BOTH WAYS on a Intel Mac (via Bootcamp AND Parallels). http://www.macwindows.com/bcreview.html
Exciting times for Mac users. Now they can have it ALL.
-Mark